Do you know why the death penalty is not the punishment for everything? The children among you may raise their hand, thinking "fairness" and whatnot.
But seriously, why do we need others? It is for the protection of the police. If everyone, about to be apprehended, had nothing to expect but death--why, they would, in vertigo, fight tooth and nail for their survival. This is why even with those we want to kill, we at least want them to have some hope--to protect TeamLiquid's Finest, TLPD.
Would you blame people who have no hope, for committing further crimes? When you took away their hope, you unleashed the torrent. Then you look at what they did, after you took away their hope, and said, "See? They are bad. We were right to punish them so harshly." Fools.
Friday, March 30, 2007
Saturday, March 24, 2007
Chibi's Ban Update
Believe it or not, I wrote the previous post about Chibi's ban right before I saw TL's threads explaining the ban and the ones popularizing my sites (thanks Physician, you sick fuck).
It seems that for maybe another day, I have a portal into a limited amount of TL. Some people will see this post. Great.
After reading that entire thread, it's pretty plain to me, that this thread (Chibi's ban explanation) is a perfect encapsulation of what is being done wrong in TL's General Forums. We pretty much know for a fact that Chibi lived up to all of the terms set for him since his temp-ban. We know that Beyonder acted out of turn, out of line. We know that Beyonder then blackmailed the whole staff, by threatening to leave, to get his way. The staff then cooked up all the reasons they don't like Chibi (most with no correlation to Chibi's actual posts, as read by actual forumers), and voted to keep the ban permanent.
We know all of this. These are plain facts, seen over and over in the thread I'm talking about. They were shouted down by a bunch of idiots saying Chibi is a pedo (off topic, useless shit). If TL was moderated well, all of these idiots would at least have temp-bans right now, and the truth, that was repeated over and over, would be acknowledged.
Instead, we can see several staff members who just aren't seeing the facts. Instead, they voted to uphold the turd layed by Beyonder's bitchy cryfest fit. It's amazing.
You could take that thread and temp-ban 40 people or more. You could take what we know Beyonder did and kick his ass off the site forever, and it would be plus EV.
TL, when you temp-ban someone, that means you are okay with them coming back, but you aren't okay with something they did. You want them to come back, but under certain conditions. You should make more of an effort, then, to spell out the right conditions. If they keep them, then WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU THEN, PERM BAN THEM FOREVER?
Temp-bans aren't a form of leniency. They're a form of asking people, who are quality, to not do certain things. If they can't read your mind, it's not their fault. The fact that Chibi has been temp-banned so many times is only proof that he is WANTED, he is QUALITY. And in the time between his last temp-ban and this current FARCE, he has shown that he can follow any requests to a tee.
If he is still quality, like he was for the seven or so other temp-bans, and you can believe he is able to do whatever you ask (which he has proven), then WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU BANNING HIM YOU IMMATURE PIECES OF SHIT? Get your head out of Beyonder's tight Christian ass, and stop VOTING in these things if you are too lazy to see the facts that Servolisk and Eri are kind enough to teach us.
How many times will your "majority vote" be only explicable if we take lies to be true? How mani times?
It seems that for maybe another day, I have a portal into a limited amount of TL. Some people will see this post. Great.
After reading that entire thread, it's pretty plain to me, that this thread (Chibi's ban explanation) is a perfect encapsulation of what is being done wrong in TL's General Forums. We pretty much know for a fact that Chibi lived up to all of the terms set for him since his temp-ban. We know that Beyonder acted out of turn, out of line. We know that Beyonder then blackmailed the whole staff, by threatening to leave, to get his way. The staff then cooked up all the reasons they don't like Chibi (most with no correlation to Chibi's actual posts, as read by actual forumers), and voted to keep the ban permanent.
We know all of this. These are plain facts, seen over and over in the thread I'm talking about. They were shouted down by a bunch of idiots saying Chibi is a pedo (off topic, useless shit). If TL was moderated well, all of these idiots would at least have temp-bans right now, and the truth, that was repeated over and over, would be acknowledged.
Instead, we can see several staff members who just aren't seeing the facts. Instead, they voted to uphold the turd layed by Beyonder's bitchy cryfest fit. It's amazing.
You could take that thread and temp-ban 40 people or more. You could take what we know Beyonder did and kick his ass off the site forever, and it would be plus EV.
TL, when you temp-ban someone, that means you are okay with them coming back, but you aren't okay with something they did. You want them to come back, but under certain conditions. You should make more of an effort, then, to spell out the right conditions. If they keep them, then WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU THEN, PERM BAN THEM FOREVER?
Temp-bans aren't a form of leniency. They're a form of asking people, who are quality, to not do certain things. If they can't read your mind, it's not their fault. The fact that Chibi has been temp-banned so many times is only proof that he is WANTED, he is QUALITY. And in the time between his last temp-ban and this current FARCE, he has shown that he can follow any requests to a tee.
If he is still quality, like he was for the seven or so other temp-bans, and you can believe he is able to do whatever you ask (which he has proven), then WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU BANNING HIM YOU IMMATURE PIECES OF SHIT? Get your head out of Beyonder's tight Christian ass, and stop VOTING in these things if you are too lazy to see the facts that Servolisk and Eri are kind enough to teach us.
How many times will your "majority vote" be only explicable if we take lies to be true? How mani times?
Thursday, March 22, 2007
Chibi's Ban
I have no idea what I'm talking about, but I have to make a post about this anyways. It surely won't be as good as the other two, but, it has to be said.
Chibi's ban is yet another example of several features of TLnet as a community and a site. First, public perception of Chibi has overtaken reality in defining him, even for the mods. Mods, for a number of reasons (some ideas: lack of effort, lack of interest, stupidity, naivety) start to believe what the idiots have said over and over about someone. Unfunny people like to constantly try to be funny over and over--that's probably the main theme of TLnet, and so, the loudest, most active idiots come to define what "the public" "knows" about someone, and this somehow bleeds into the mod's actual discussion (even, their consensus) on what a person is.
In the case of Chibi, they think he has some kind of pedo agenda. That he brings it into every topic. Nothing could be farther from the truth, as Chibi has eloquently pointed out, and defended to a tee, so many times. This leads into the second main feature of TLnet: that well-written, careful, kind, constructive fact, in response to false claims, is completely wasted on most of the staff. In fact, they won't even read it. They think they know everything, and you are just a waste of time to them. They trust their random, illiterate mods' parroting of the "public" opinion more than anything you say, no matter how clearly you say it and how well you back it up. They have no respect for you, since you're banned, and you're a pedo. Even if several of their most level-headed and intelligent and well-liked mods vouch for you, this doesn't faze them at all.
It is plain fact that Chibi doesn't do these things. Other people bring this crap up, and they are not held responsible for this. A circus of idiocy follows Chibi, probably trolls who know they can start the same old shit if they bring the topic up, and they just keep plugging away. The mods only see their arguments as truth, and see the cause of the problem as Chibi, and have to get rid of all conflict because of their fairy tale ideal of what the forum is supposed to be. This combination of ignorance of the true cause of friction, with intolerance for the friction (ignorance of its vital role for any discussion--ignorance that it only needs to be channeled, like water, not dammed), is, frankly, deadly for a site. A few troublemakers can literally run everyone sincere and interesting off of the site. This is what has been happening for years.
Thirdly, TL has had a very conservative intolerance for controversial issues. There was a time when you couldn't talk about drugs, no matter in how serious a manner. We see a similar problem with discussing certain sexual issues. Chibi's thought-out, researched stance, that he merely looks to discuss, and share his research so that others can refute it, or be enlightened by it, is constantly shouted down by simple-minded bigotry reminiscent of adolescent, locker-room, chatter. "Eew sick, shut up, don't be a fag", you can almost read between the lines. These are the people who should grow up, and stay out of topics that they can't handle.
Even if Chibi, and his influence, is bad for society, it is better that we let him talk about it out in the open, that we can try to convince him, so that we can see where the truth of the matter truly lies. Shouting down or censoring fringe viewpoints does a disservice to society. It is better that they work them out in the public, than keep them secret. It is truly cowardly, and selfish, to want to shut down any discussion that is not interesting to you, or that is disturbing to you personally.
Basically, the immature people who can't handle serious topics like pedophilia or drugs, and the immature people that keep saying false things about Chibi and bad jokes about Chibi to try to provoke him into "bringing up" (responding to) "the pedo topic", are bringing the site down. If you want to make TLnet better, demote the bad mods, unban the good people, and start whipping these immature, abundant, and unnecessary assholes into shape. Invite back the geniuses and let them mod your General Forum and unleash a Stimtopia.
Chibi's ban is yet another example of several features of TLnet as a community and a site. First, public perception of Chibi has overtaken reality in defining him, even for the mods. Mods, for a number of reasons (some ideas: lack of effort, lack of interest, stupidity, naivety) start to believe what the idiots have said over and over about someone. Unfunny people like to constantly try to be funny over and over--that's probably the main theme of TLnet, and so, the loudest, most active idiots come to define what "the public" "knows" about someone, and this somehow bleeds into the mod's actual discussion (even, their consensus) on what a person is.
In the case of Chibi, they think he has some kind of pedo agenda. That he brings it into every topic. Nothing could be farther from the truth, as Chibi has eloquently pointed out, and defended to a tee, so many times. This leads into the second main feature of TLnet: that well-written, careful, kind, constructive fact, in response to false claims, is completely wasted on most of the staff. In fact, they won't even read it. They think they know everything, and you are just a waste of time to them. They trust their random, illiterate mods' parroting of the "public" opinion more than anything you say, no matter how clearly you say it and how well you back it up. They have no respect for you, since you're banned, and you're a pedo. Even if several of their most level-headed and intelligent and well-liked mods vouch for you, this doesn't faze them at all.
It is plain fact that Chibi doesn't do these things. Other people bring this crap up, and they are not held responsible for this. A circus of idiocy follows Chibi, probably trolls who know they can start the same old shit if they bring the topic up, and they just keep plugging away. The mods only see their arguments as truth, and see the cause of the problem as Chibi, and have to get rid of all conflict because of their fairy tale ideal of what the forum is supposed to be. This combination of ignorance of the true cause of friction, with intolerance for the friction (ignorance of its vital role for any discussion--ignorance that it only needs to be channeled, like water, not dammed), is, frankly, deadly for a site. A few troublemakers can literally run everyone sincere and interesting off of the site. This is what has been happening for years.
Thirdly, TL has had a very conservative intolerance for controversial issues. There was a time when you couldn't talk about drugs, no matter in how serious a manner. We see a similar problem with discussing certain sexual issues. Chibi's thought-out, researched stance, that he merely looks to discuss, and share his research so that others can refute it, or be enlightened by it, is constantly shouted down by simple-minded bigotry reminiscent of adolescent, locker-room, chatter. "Eew sick, shut up, don't be a fag", you can almost read between the lines. These are the people who should grow up, and stay out of topics that they can't handle.
Even if Chibi, and his influence, is bad for society, it is better that we let him talk about it out in the open, that we can try to convince him, so that we can see where the truth of the matter truly lies. Shouting down or censoring fringe viewpoints does a disservice to society. It is better that they work them out in the public, than keep them secret. It is truly cowardly, and selfish, to want to shut down any discussion that is not interesting to you, or that is disturbing to you personally.
Basically, the immature people who can't handle serious topics like pedophilia or drugs, and the immature people that keep saying false things about Chibi and bad jokes about Chibi to try to provoke him into "bringing up" (responding to) "the pedo topic", are bringing the site down. If you want to make TLnet better, demote the bad mods, unban the good people, and start whipping these immature, abundant, and unnecessary assholes into shape. Invite back the geniuses and let them mod your General Forum and unleash a Stimtopia.
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